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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: reconstruction of posts on page 9 before hacking Reply with quote

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:33 pm


Kier
What great posts, well said.
This image which combines the 'dummy' run of the 28/6 and the single image from Luton on 7th July throws up a couple of interesting questions.
Would Germaine Lindsay carry a white carrier bag on both days? Would Shezhad Tanweer happen to wear the same clothes but just the 'opposite' colours?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: reconstruction of posts on page 9 before hacking Reply with quote

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That seems a really strange thing to say. It comes across like you're saying "This is our incident, belonging to the victims and survivors only, how dare you ordinary people hijack it"!
Every single person on this planet has a right to research it - every single person who cares about what's happening to this world and how we're being spoon-fed more and more crap in order to justify what's looking more and more like some bizarre plan for global domination.


I merely pointed out the Antagonist is in no position to tell me to shut up - which was what he had the nerve to do - as if his personal interest in the subject gave him authority and moral force over someone who is also interested in the subject because it MASSIVELY AFFECTED MY LIFE AND I NEARLY BLOODY DIED on that day.

At the end of the day he is just 'researching 'it as a hobby - nobody actually asked him to - whereas others arte living with the effects of it - and as the stuff he posts isn't helpful to survivors - in fact - as can be seen - it upsets the hell out of them - dropping the patronising tone, I advised him - would be a start.

I am glad you accept that terorism and extremist Muslim terror cells exist: it seems that the Antagonist doesn't, which makes him impossible to engage with.

And wait for the Operation Crevice trial, about to start at the Old Bailey, to find out more about Khan, what M15 knew about Khan and the plot to make a vehicle bomb destined for the streets and bars of London.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: reconstruction of posts on page 9 before hacking Reply with quote

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This is getting heated. Would you all be prepared to appear on camera and discuss this either together or seperately? I'd be interested in filming it.



No, thanks.
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I am considering whether to offer to meet up with people to discuss what happened but very wary of being treated aggressively, many posts to me in the past have been extremely hostile, and I don't really want to put myself into an aggressive conversation that will not help me with the recovery process.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: reconstruction of postings since hacking Reply with quote

That's the lot folks!

Apologies to anyone if I have missed anything, if there is anything you think missing, let me know and I will check my captured pages.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: Ta Reply with quote

Prole,

Thanks for that.
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Indeed! Thanks Prole! You are the Cox forum poster-of-the-month. Hopefully this latest phpbb update will hold and we won't need to call on your archive again.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: reconstruction of posts on page 9 before hacking Reply with quote

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I am considering whether to offer to meet up with people to discuss what happened but very wary of being treated aggressively, many posts to me in the past have been extremely hostile, and I don't really want to put myself into an aggressive conversation that will not help me with the recovery process.


Rachel,

I would be very happy to meet up for a face to face discussion with you. I have no feelings of hostility towards you at all. I am aware that you have had posts addressed to you on some forums that have been aggressive in tone, but I do not personally know the authors of these - and even though I know you have been offended by things that have been said by The Antagonist, Prole and myself, we have never, to the best of my knowledge been abusive to you or employed any kind of foul language. It is our viewpoints, I think, which have offended you, rather than the language we used to illustrate them? Discussions can get heated when there is an emotional subject at hand.
I think it would be very good if we were to meet, if only so that you would see I am not a mad 'conspiraloon', but an ordinary person just like you.

I will re-iterate that nobody I know of (eg Prole, The Antagonist) is disrespectful of the trauma you and the other survivors suffered that day. It would be really good if you could let go of your prejudices against people like me - I am not a conspiracy theorist and I certainly was not waiting with baited breath, like you have suggested in the past, for the next terrorist outrage so that I could have fun belittling the experiences of people such as yourself. Like I've told you before, I was extremely apolitical before July 7th, and I believed the official story of 9/11 too. All of the things that you have seen me write are things I have found out during the research I've done since the summer.

I take your point that you have to live with the trauma of July 7th every day. The ramifications of that day are also carried by people such as myself to a much lesser extent in terms of the physiological and psychological effects. I do not consider it a hobby to have ceaselessly researched the background to this event and others.when I think of 'hobbies' I think of light-hearted activities that I do for some down-time. Nobody asked me to do it, either, but like you yourself have said, we all need to speak our own truth.

Believe me, I don't find anything light hearted about what I see happening in the world, and I seriously doubt that anyone else who's been asking the same questions as me does either, including The Antagonist. I know there have been things that The Antagonist says that have offended you, but I have never interpreted any of them as telling you to shut up. I don't think it would be helpful if you did 'shut up' since hearing the experiences of witnesses will help put together a clearer picture of that day.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel, I was interested to see that you highlighted the part of my post where I suggested it looks like "some bizarre plan for global domination". Perhaps that particular phrase seems paranoid to you. It doesn't to me, when I consider the criteria that was laid down for the Project for the New American Century, which is defined as:

'A neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.
The group's core ideas are expressed in a September 2000 report produced for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and Lewis Libby entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century. The Sunday Herald referred to the report as a "blueprint for U.S. world domination."'
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

I strongly urge you also to read 'The New Pearl Harbor' by Professor David Ray Griffin. I know you have expressed indifference to 9/11 on other forums, but to those of us researching these events, there are many similarities - indeed the connections were what was being questioned by the author of the blog on which we are commenting now. You asked if we had also looked into Madrid.yes, I have. Also, Bali (both times), Jordan and all the other locations and times similar atrocities occurred.

Here is just the simplest similarity, to use one example. The supposed hijackers of 9/11 - even though seven of them have been verified as being still alive, having the documentation to prove it, yet the FBI still lists them as being the perpetrators - were 'caught' by being stupid or cocky enough to leave an Arabic flight manual in a car in the airport car park along with a suitcase containing a pilot-training video, a copy of the Koran and a table for calculating aircraft fuel consumption.

The supposed perpetrators of the Madrid bombing were traced having been stupid or cocky enough to leave some 'spare' detonators and an Arabic tape containing Qu'ranic quotes in a van near the station car park. These were not even suicide bombers, although the suspects conveniently blew themselves up when cornered by the police in an apartment block.

http://www.vialls.net/myahudi/madrid.html

And in London, as we all know, the suspects were quickly traced by having been stupid or cocky enough to leave not only a spare rucksack in their car at Luton station car park, but sixteen spare bombs, plus other explosive material and detonators, plus a gun and plus, of course, their identifying documents that survived a blast that humans and steel did not.

Can these terrorists really be so inordinately stupid to keep making the same mistakes, so helpful to the investigation every time? I don't think it's enough to attempt to rationalise it with dismissive explanations such as 'They wanted to be found' or 'Well, they're mad terrorists, they don't think like normal people' etc. It all seems too strange, and like I said, oddly helpful to any investigation tracing their organisation.

Other similarities...Israeli Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was warned by the Israeli Embassy to stay in his hotel room near Liverpool Street station before any explosion had occurred.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=85346

There is plenty of evidence of Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3007

and Israel also managed, with the cooperation of the Jordanian security services to evacuate Israeli citizens who were staying at the Radisson Hotel prior to the blast last year.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20051113&articleId=1238

Does that not strike anyone else as a little odd?

On the subject of the Jordanian hotel blasts, eye witness and early news reports stated that the bombs had exploded in false ceilings - statements which were borne out by photographic evidence.but despite that, we were expected to believe it was simply suicide bombers walking into the hotel with strap on explosives.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3813

In Bali last year, we were told, again, it was suicide bombers - we were even shown a grainy camcorder film of an unidentifiable man walking through the bar. Just after he (conveniently) moved out of shot, he apparently exploded. Yet witnesses spoke of bombs going off underneath their tables.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3665

The suicide bomber must have crawled under there on his hands and knees I guess.
Hasib Hussain, the London bus bomb suspect, was identified by the unique injuries sustained by having explosives strapped to the chest - yet we were told he had his bomb in a rucksack!

There has hardly been a day when I haven't put myself in the mindset of someone who wants to believe that those men bombed London on July 7th, and even then I know I would not be satisfied either with the evidence we have been shown thus far or the suspicious aspects of the story, and related incidents, which I referred to above.

So, 'Global Domination' might seem a strong term to use, but it's what I see occurring little by little on many levels every day. Just have a think about how easy it must be to get away with committing the most despicable acts if nobody in the world believes you capable of doing so.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: There is always hope. Reply with quote

From Rachel's Blog - Saturday Feb 25th:
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Boring and ranty
This blog is getting a bit ranty and one-dimensional. I think it is getting a bit boring. It's getting repetitive. It's all about politics, fear, July 7th. I suppose that I think a great deal about politics, fear and July 7th at the moment, and I go to work, hang out with J and my friends, do stuff, and store all the things I write about here in my head until I get a chance to download it all onto this blog. Which is fair enough and it works for me, but maybe I should try and write about other things as well so I don't turn into rent-a-rant victim lady.

A review of this thread and the 7/7 thread over at www.nineeleven.co.uk, would suggest that Rachel has reflected upon some of the observations and comments posted by those attempting to engage Rachel in debate.

Indeed, there is perhaps a glimmer of hope contained within the latest post on www.rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com

It is encouraging to find that Rachel reflects upon the ever increasing rate at which legislation is being introduced which restrict, limit or dramatically curtail civil liberties. There is, however, one very significant comment which warrants response.

Rachel links to the following article in The Guardian:

www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1717661,00.html

Rachel then writes:
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I am very worried about what is happening at the moment. I.D cards, the Anti-Parliament bill, the Glorification of Terrorism amendment, all these latest abuses of power that gnaw away at our ability to live free of meddlesome checks and to say and think what we want to say and think.............

The Prevention of Terrorism Act is being misused to shut people up and bully and frighten them. Peace protesters Maya, Wolfgang, actors from a Guantamo (sic) movie, god knows how many more people frightened and bullied and detained - this is a clear abuse of state and police power..........

When will they come for the bloggers and the writers? How long have we got? What can we do to hold onto what we still take for granted, before it blows away in the storm of over-reaction, fear-mongering and paranoiac responses to the actions of angry young men?


To imply that the continuing rush to push a whole raft of restrictive legislation through the Parliamentary process is in response to the events of July 7, and more specifically, "..to the actions of angry young men," is a gross misrepresentation.

You have shown concern in your Blog that you should not write on a subject that is sub-judice. At the very least, the same courtesy should be applied to the four alleged perpetrators on the events on July 7th.

In her Blog entry on Thursday Rachel included the following post from www.perfect.co.uk

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Purely for political advantage during the US election, the Bush administration needlessly blew the cover of an al-Qaeda mole who was leading intelligence services to a terrorist network in the UK. As a result, they then had to make rushed arrests before they were ready. Some got away. At least one of those was one of the suicide bombers last Thursday.
Now tell me how Bush wasn't at least partly responsible1 for the deaths of 50 people in London last Thursday. I can't tell you how angry I am. This is a scandal that should be plastered all over tomorrow's front pages. To quote our friend Nosemonkey:
if it does turn out that politics has been played with our national security - impeachments alone won't be enough. This would be gross, irresponsible negligence of the highest order. A blase disregard of people's safety and lives resulting in the maiming and death of scores of innocents. And for what? Power, plain and simple. If this is true, our leaders will have become as bad as those they are supposed to be fighting.'

And there's no link between Iraq and July 7th?

www.perfect.co.uk/2005/07/on-iraq-77-and-the-truth


Rachel, please keep joining the dots ..... the Machiavellian machinations being perpetrated by the Globalists in pursuit of a deep political agenda, should be of concern to all those capable of thinking beyond the next salary cheque.

When the evidence that has been made available, is combined with the efforts of academics, professional investigators and independent researchers, the official versions are shown to be severely lacking. Indeed, the accumulated body of evidence would indicate that the events of 9/11 & 7/7 were most likely not random events and were most likely not perpetrated by Muslim fundamentalists.

It is, of course, always possible that the Government Narrative will be an absolute revelation and will answer all the questions of those who cast doubt on the official version of events, as presented to date. I genuinely hope that this will be the case!

On behalf of you, the 52 victims who were killed, the 700 who were injured, Jean-Charles de Menezes and all the respective families, we ask for no more than the truth.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: 9/11 & 7/7 Reply with quote

I think it's pretty evident that there was foreknowledge at a high level in the US prior to 9/11: the main evidence being the 'trial run' bombing and public-building target exercises that were scheduled the same day.
It's less clear in the case of 7/7, but the absence of a public enquiry is a disgrace. The Visor exercise on its own demands answers to serious questions.
Thanks to everyone for treating this with clarity, and to Prole for finding the hacked posts and getting them back up!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 9/11 & 7/7 Reply with quote

alex wrote:
I think it's pretty evident that there was foreknowledge at a high level in the US prior to 9/11


Foreknowledge at the highest level ?!?- They were behind the attacks. Osama is innocent.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: reconstruction of posts on page 8 before hacking Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:

The fact that all the sources add up. Multiple sources, multiple witnesses, credible investigations, as opposed to hypothetical internet conjecture with no alternative hard evidence offered to support the claims. I have seen nothing to lead me to believe the internet stories and no reason for the alternative theories to be taken seriously
....
Khan's video. CCTV images of the bombers arriving at the station. DNA. Debris. The detonator found embedded in survivors of 2 explosions. The copy cat attempt to let off more bombs by another extremist cell. The well documented and credible threat posed by existing Islamofacist groups who have a stated agenda to commit atrocities on UK soil and abraod - in the service of what they mistakenly call 'jihad', using what they call 'martyrdom operations'. The police, the investigative reporters, the emergency services officers I have spoken to. The testimony of survivors. I could go on, but in essence I have seen a few disrecrepancies - they seem to have got the 7.20am train - so what? but the essence of the thing, from multiple, numerous, sources all points to the truth of it.

The 7:20 left Luton on time and arrived at Kings Cross Thameslink at 8:15, 7 minutes late. Do you have any source for this, Rachel?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Rachel North - the ONLY voice of the survivors from 7th July Reply with quote

The very busy Rachel North, or should that be the only voice of the survivors of July 7th?, seems to have had quite a week. A forthcoming 'audience' with Charles Clarke, just her and her dad, is also looming.
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More on Dad's M.P...
My dad has received a response from his M.P, Mr Charles Clarke; there is no apology, I understand, but a meeting is now offered, to which I am also invited, should I wish to attend.

I should very much like to attend. If you have any questions you should like me to ask in the meeting, please do leave your suggestions in the comments box. For myself, I shall simply be asking: why no 7th July Public Enquiry?

On Wednesday 15th March, she pops up again to express her views on how it took TWO HOURS for ambulances to reach the injured at Russel Square. Do the State Brainwashing Corporation ask one of those that had to wait 2 hours for an ambulance? Maybe one of those severely injured? No, they interview our very own Rachel North who took a cab to the hospital, 30 minutes after the explosion.
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Waiting For Ambulances
In other news, I have done an interview for BBC London Tonight. They called up about how long it took for ambulances to arrive at Kings Cross and Russell Square on July 7th. It will be shown next week. The interviewer heard my story, then showed me the ambulance call sheets and L.U records of calling for help - turned my account of when the ambulances came ( based on my experience and talking later to LU staff and other survivors) matched the timeline the BBC's had.

Prior to which Rachel North, is invited to speak at Westminster Abbey, as a survivor of July 7th (why not ask an injured survivor? Danny Biddle, Gill Hicks, John Tulloch et al?).
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Commonwealth Day.
I've kept quiet about this up until now... but it is too late to un-invite me. So here's the hot news.
Tomorrow I shall be giving a speech in Westminster Abbey for the 2006 Commonwealth Observance. I think it will be going out live on the World Service. In attendance will be leaders from all over the world, faith leaders, and HRH Charles Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.
I have been invited to give a short speech as a representative of July 7th survivors (only 100 words) which will then be reflected upon

I remember reading these words from Rachel's blog:
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I don't want me to be the only survivor voice that comes up again and again.

http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/

Call me cynical, but if after she meets with Clarke, the 'narrative' is now dropped in favour of a limited Inquiry, into say, how the emergency services responded or how 'Muslims' can be prevented from carrying out further 'attacks', an inquiry that is limited and takes years to produce a report, then Rachel will really have served her purpose for the State. There are advantages to having 'only one voice' of the survivors of July 7th, it can then be the 'voice' that says the things the State wants us all to hear.

Remember, Rachel said "We know what happened that day, we just want to know why and how it can be prevented from happening again".

I expect Clarke can take a great deal of comfort from those words,.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: I hate to say I told you so..... Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post

Back in mid-December, just after The State (embodied rather more fully than usual by Charles Clarke) had denied the The British People a Public Inquiry for a second time, the venerable Blairwatch picked up on the London 7/7: How to Be Good article which highlights a number of inconsistencies and impossibilities in the story of how the alleged suicide bombers travelled from Luton to London on the morning of July 7th. Quoting from the Blairwatch article:
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The Antagonist over at Anything that defies my sense of reason.... does a good job of drawing together the inconsistencies and impossibilities in the media 'Narrative'. His concerns about the timing of events, and the information put out by the police raise many unanswered questions about what happened that day.

You may not share his conclusions, but it is difficult not to be perturbed by the questions he asks, even more so when we learn there will be no formal investigation of these questions, just a "move along, move along, nothing to see here" statement from our government to attempt to dissuade us from finding out what happened, how it happened and why it happened.

Will Charles Clarke's "narrative" shed any light in these points?
I very much doubt it.

I left a comment on the Blairwatch article thanking them for the link, from which the following is taken:
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In fairness, none of this is about The Antagonist being right or wrong, it's about asking the questions to get to whatever the truth about July 7th might be.

I've seen the calls for a public inquiry and now is perhaps the opportune time to state that I believe the government's second denial of a public inquiry is a highly stage-managed effort by a provably mendacious and murderous government and administration who seek nothing more than to drag out talk of a public inquiry before making it look as though the sheer weight of public pressure and petitioning forced them into conducting one.

At some stage then, the government will cave in to the apparent public pressure demanding a public inquiry, after which a government approved inquiry will be conducted and published and the resulting narrative will be as illuminating as previous public inquiry whitewashes leaving nobody with any right to say they didn't have their public inquiry.

As such, only an independent people's inquiry into the horrific events of July 7th will suffice because proven liars who have murdered between 30,000 (Source: George Walker Bush) to 100,000 (Source: The Lancet) human beings in Iraq alone, solely on the basis of lies, can not, ever, tell the truth.

Then comes this. It is left as an exercise for the reader to determine whether this latest sequence of events is just another in the long line of amazing coincidences like that of the much-ignored 1,000 man anti-terror exercise running on July 7th that was rehearsing simultaneous bombs going off in precisely the London railway stations that they did in reality.
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