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Rachel



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Censorship? Reply with quote

Admin,

May one ask why Rachel's response to my previous posting has been deleted?

Please advise.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Serious Censorship?? Reply with quote

Admin,

I have now realised that all of Rachel's postings have been removed!

Are you responsible for this ....... or has some other 'agency' taken an interest in these exchanges?

Please advise.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: @ alkmyst Reply with quote

I think you will find that Rachel has deleted her own posts.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Have we touched a Nerve? Reply with quote

Rachel,

What happened? Did you embarrass yourself today?

Why else would you delete your postings from the forum at www.prayforrain.com ?

Some of us were making genuine effort to engage you in debate! What a shame that you seemed to only use this forum to 'vent your spleen'!

Most, if not all, of us, are only interested in the truth. Unfortunately it would seem that you have no appetite for rational polemic, having apparently entrenched yourself in dogma. I do so hope that I am wrong!

As I have stated in a previous posting; on behalf of you, the 52 victims who were killed (on July 7th), the 700 who were injured, Jean-Charles de Menezes and all the respective families, we ask for no more than the truth.

I would hope, most sincerely, that we have the same objective.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: A commendable effort! Reply with quote

Hi y'all,

as a relatively latecomer to the discussion (if one can call it that!) with Rachel, I would just like to say that I thought everyone of you made a superb effort to engage Rachel in a rational discussion. It is evident from her rants that she is either unwilling or incapable of participating in a forum such as this. If it were not for the following opening sentence on her blog, I would almost be inclined to believe that the 'blogger' and the individual posting on this forum, were two different people!

From Rachel's Blog:
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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Moving things.

The last post was me getting personal again, a welcome break from engaging with conspiracy theorist fundementalists and those with agendas I do not share.


Of course, it is highly likely that 'Rachel' is still encountering some serious PTSD and has taken the opportunity to vent her frustrations via this forum. In which case, perhaps her postings here have been therapeutic.

If this is not the case, I can only ecourage Rachel to continue with the counselling that was made available to all the victims of the July events. We can only hope that she may be ready, willing and able to participate in rational debate at some future juncture.

Alternatively, I may be being overly generous in my assessment of Rachel's behaviour and there may be an entirely different explanation for what has been witnessed here over the past couple of days!

I re-iterate once more, our quest for the truth is our focus ......... and we would like to believe that you, Rachel, share this objective with us.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you may find that Rachel 'hates conspiracy theorists' or 'conspiraloons' as she prefers to call those that are questioning the events of July 7th.

If you check out her blog, and scroll down to the two posts she made about conspiracy theorists and the comments that were left there, you may understand her view point.

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I really hate them. Here's an example of someone twisting my original account to claim that there were no bombs, but instead a 'power surge' on 7th July.

They claim 7/7 was a 'black ops' by the Government. They make up drivel about 7th July and anything else that makes them feel that they are Neo-like truth seekers in the Matrix of lies that we poor dupes and saps believe. They post rubbish on internet message boards and enjoy themselves making up exciting theories and chasing after irrelevant details in a trainspotter-ish way. Only they know the truth, the rest of us are idiots. Even if we were on the train when it blew up, we are to be pitied or mstrusted. When challenged by me, futilely, they even claim, some of them that I am manipulating the media for a government agenda or some such nonsense. It really is enough to drive you mad. As mad as them.

One of the reasons I would like an enquiry into 7th July and the aftermath is to shut up these fantasists. I shouldn't even bother to engage with them. It does me no good at all, it makes me furious and tearful. But to be accused of lying, to have my words twisted, and then to be insulted and smeared and told that I, not they, dishonour the dead by not refusing to pander to their delusions and supporting their 'enquiries' - laughably, they claim that they are 'independent' - and 'concerned only with the truth' - sickens me, and I denounce it.

The truth - that young men hated so much that they wanted to kill themselves and others - is shocking enough. I can deal with it, hard though it is. Why the hell can't the conspiracy theorists deal with it too? What is wrong with them?

*headesk*
http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_rachelnorthlondon_archive.html

According to a comment she left today, she now has more important issues to write about.

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I am more cheerful today, I have been asked to write something for the Sunday Times News Review

*Drumroll*

THAT IS NOT ABOUT 7TH JULY!

This is excellent and I am very pleased about it.

It is about my Feminist Disco Pole Dancing Classes


I do hope that when she gets the reply from TFL confirming the number of the Piccadilly Line train, she'll post it on her blog, (as she promised on this forum she would do), Did anyone manage to capture that comment before she deleted them all btw?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found the post that Rachel has since deleted:

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There is indeed confusion about the number of the train. Tom and Ray think it was train 311 and have said so. TFL say it is 331. There was however one train, not two that was bombed. How do I know? Because every single passenger that has joined KCU has similar accounts and not one person reports being on an eastbound Piccadilly line train. If the call was going out through my writing for ‘’ were you on the bombed Piccadilly line train?’’ and there were TWO – people would be reporting different stories. And not only that, but by now someone would have said, hang on, I was going Russell Square to KX – not the other way round – and I was bombed too. Not a squeak. One train. Two number, much confusion, so why is this?

TFL are getting back to me, the driver and the station manager all think 311 – but the re was widespread confusion about the trains as many of them were taken out of service due to the fire at Cali Road. So is it confusion? Very likely, and I will report more as I hear back on my blog.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to leave and to delete my posts because I became aware that''debate'' with you people was futile and detrimental to me getting on with my life after 7th July. Since attempting to engage with some of you, I have had my personal details posted on the internet twice - and I am legally entitled to anonymity as a rape survivor so this is not on - ( thanks Bridget for helping to get one of them taken down) . I have also had many insulting comments left on my blog and been called a liar repeatedly which mkaes me feel upset and angry. For a while I fought back. But this is not even a battle worth fighting . Responding only dignifies your theories and gives them credibility.

And I am just tired of it all. So, I do not want to enagage with you people anymore - I have enough going on without putting myself through it. I'm taking the advice of people who love me and taking another small step away from the events of July 7th. Some debates, some arguments, with some individuals aren't worth having. You may be obsessed with July 7th - you weren't there so you have that luxury. I need to focus on life after July 7th and coming here is far from healthy. Good luck with your pet theories, I have a real life to get on with.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Rachel covers her tracks Reply with quote

From Rachel's Blog:
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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Moving things.

The last post was me getting personal again, a welcome break from engaging with conspiracy theorist fundementalists and those with agendas I do not share.


It is interesting to note that this opening sentence has now been removed from Rachel's Blog entry. It would seem that she would like to erase all reference to her exchanges with the sceptic community. Her use of the term 'conspiracy theorist fundamentalists' is perhaps understandable but what can she mean when she says, " .......those with agendas I do not share."

The only agenda that I am aware of in forums such as this, is the desire to understand the truth. Indeed, the absence of any political agenda is what unites the 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Movements. There are people from all points of the political spectrum who have valid concerns about the official accounts of these two definitive events.

Traumatic experiences are often the 'trigger' for the transpersonal process to kick in. Interestingly, Rachel's postings on this forum would indicate that she is making a desperate attempt to 'defend' her version of reality ...... even to the extent of dogmatically defending the orthodox version of events whilst choosing to ignore completely the apparent inconsistencies. Rachel says she wants an inquiry into the events of 7/7 but I suspect that she would have serious difficulty in accepting any input that does not conform to her pre-determined account of what transpired on that fateful day.

When the truth does eventually come to light, perhaps the veil will fall from Rachel's eyes and she will see the world rather differently.

For the record:
- I do happen to believe that bombs went off on the tube trains.
- I do not believe that Tony Blair or any member of his cabinet had any idea of what was to transpire on the morning of July 7.

However, there are many other facets to these events which have yet to be properly investigated or explained. That is surely the role of an independent inquiry and why it is so important that Rachel gives consideration to the role that she could play in getting a public inquiry established.

Rachel says that she wants a Public Inquiry, if for no other reason, than to shut up the 'conspiraloons' once and for all. A properly conducted Public Inquiry should achieve exactly that .......... by laying out the facts and explaining the apparent anomalies to the satisfaction of all concerned.

Meanwhile, I shall look forward to reading her article on 'Feminist Pole Dancing'.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Rachel's Blog Reply with quote

I contacted Rachel through her blog and this was the exchange:
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Rachel

can I ask, which bombed train? Have TFL got back to you yet re: train 311 or 331? Just to remind you that on the Alex Cox forum (which has been hacked btw) you wrote that you would post TFL's answer to your query here on your blog.
Thanks

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Rachel said...

The group is for anyone on the bombed Piccadilly line train that was travelling from Kings Cross to Russell Square. We know who we are. Only one train was bombed on the Piccadilly line. There is currently some confusion regarding its number. I have had clarification about the number of the train but I have not entered into further correspondence about the number of the train nor am I going to post further details here because that will draw me back into endless conversations with people who think there were 2 trains, and I am sick of doing that. Doing so is more trouble than it is worth and has led to nasty comments being left on the internet which I find disturbing.


We can only asssume that Rachel has been told that the train number was 331.

http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2006/01/this-is-personal-blog.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, but why stop with your 'assumptions' there? Surely you can assume more exciting things than that?

Why not assume Transport for London - or perhaps my lizard overlords at M15if you prefer - that sounds much more exciting, doesn't it? - have actually told me the train number and I have decided not to tell you, simply in order to wind you lot up? Mwah hahah. Twisted Evil

Anyway, I don't want to spoil your fun. Carry on, it's getting quite amusing now, in a fairly sick way.

So far we have...5 suicide bombers/no suicide bombers - 2 trains/no trains bombed on the Picadilly line - bombers getting the 7.20am train/being driven around by M15 - actors, stuntmen and power surges all doing the great flapping conspiracy theory rounds.

Have I missed anything out? Genetically-modified suicide pelicans? Ill-tempered mutated seabass? Sharks with lasers? Aliens? UFOs? Mossad? Celebrities? Dan Brown? Dr Evil?

Oh how we laugh. No, I'm pulling your tail of course. Everyone knows the Illuminati did it. Whoops.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: rachel's latest Reply with quote

Rachel
I understand you have deleted all your posts and
replaced them with the witty tag line 'deleted by M15.'
I thought this was a pity since clearly you have much
to contribute to this matter.
But why have you started posting again?
And why go on about giant lizards when there are clearly
some serious entries here (your deleted posts among them)?
Either treat this with seriousness (you above all people
should do that) or leave it alone.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Alex

I suggest you look back at the thread and look at the insults directed at me - a genuine survivor who tried to engage ion serious discussion with the vicous bullies on your forum.

Just have a look.

Then think why I might have decided to fuck off.

Since I am repeatedly called liar, and told that I work for M15, then that is why I have decided to laugh at your posters and say, oh, ok, you win, I work for M15.

Of course I don't.

But the shit I have taken here beggars belief. I have some sense of humour left. I decided to come back and make it clear to the bullies you have on your forum that I am not to be bullied, and I am taking back some sense of composure by laughing at them. Yes, laughing. For they are fools.

Because the alternative is to be angry, and they are simoply not worth that.

To the bullies who insult and attack me and other surviviors because our genuine experience does not match your paranioc theories...grow up

You had a witness here, someone who could have helped you to gain answers, and who tried to engage with you, but you blew it.

You had someone who spoke the truth - and all you saw was lies.

You had someone who was there - and all you saw was an actress.

You had someone willing to engage - and all you saw was an opponent.

You had somone who was sane - shocked, angry, but sane - and all you saw was someone who was mentally ill.

Ever heard of 'projection?' Go look it up. Go on, and see what your own behaviour tells youabout yourselves.

You have made yourselves look like bullying fantasists - well, that's your problem. Alex, you were polite, if you wish to ask questions of me as a witness I am willing to correspond with you - you should be able to access my email from your blog. The rest of you - you should be ashamed of yoursleves but I doubt you have the social graces to recognise the shortfalls in your inacceptable behaviour.

I actually considered whether to meet with you people, to prove I am real and to answer your questions, but why the bloody hell should I bother?

I shall give my testimony to the London Assembly, it will be reported with that of other surviviors. I continue to write and to speak and to share what I have with othe survivors and those interested in truth and justice: those of you who are sad conspiracy theorists I just feel sorry for. Go play on the internet, and pray that you are never caught up in something like 7th July for real. We will see then what you have to offer besides conjecture, insults and fantasies.

I am real: and you who have lied, insulted, left vicious anonymous comments on my blog are frankly, shits, for the way you have behaved.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rachael,

A full professional and public inquiry is needed to reveal the truth of 7/7 I think I can see everyone on this thread agrees with that. So why cant we work together and play the ball instead of playing the man.

I think that your personal insults to others pursuing the truth are rather unfair and unjustified.

I have just read David Ray Griffins outstanding book "The New Pearl Harbour" which clearly proves that the official version of 911 is a travesty of the truth.

Check out the following Rachael:-

http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htm

and tell me that those buildings were not brought down at freefall speed
by controlled explosives.

Also Rachael explain to me why the owner of World Trade Center building 7, Larry Silverstein gives the NY Chief Firefighter the instruction to "pull"
the building. "Pull" is the demolition term for using explosives. It takes weeks to plan and postion the explosives for such a job!

These are not conspiracy theories but facts Rachael! The official version of 911 is the conspiracy theory because there is not a shred of hard evidence to support it.

I suspect that same people behind 911 are also behind the events of 7/7

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